ep. 49 - Dr. Willie Jolley - Award-Winning Speaker and Singer, Best-Selling Author, & Media Personality


There are many motivational speakers, and then there is the one, the only, the incomparable Dr. Willie Jolley. He has been described simultaneously as a world-class, award-winning speaker and singer, best-selling author and media personality.

Dr. Jolley has achieved remarkable heights in the speaking industry, having come from humble beginnings of being a fired singer, who was replaced by a karaoke machine! He has gone on to be named "One of the 5 Outstanding Speakers in the World" by the 175,000 members of Toastmasters International. He has also been inducted into the prestigious Speaker Hall of Fame as well as achieving the distinction of Certified Speaker Professional by the National Speakers Association. 

In 2012 he was the recipient of the Ron Brown Distinguished Leadership Award. In 2013 he was named, "One of the Top 5 Leadership Speakers" by Speaking.com and Business Leader of The Year by The African American Chambers of Commerce.

Willie uses his public platform to pursue his mission of empowering and encouraging people to rise above their circumstances and maximize their God given potential! Many know him as the speaker Ford Motors called on in 2006 when they were on the brink of bankruptcy, and he worked with them in 2006, 2007 and 2008 and in 2009 they were able to reject a government bailout and go on to Billion Dollar profits


ep. 49 - Dr. Willie Jolley - Award-Winning Speaker and Singer, Best-Selling Author, & Media Personality

Gail Davis: Doctor Willie Jolley was named one of the outstanding five speakers in the world by the 175,000 members of Toastmasters International. Only 50 speakers worldwide have been [00:01:00] given that honor including Colin Powell, Nelson Mandela, and Margaret Thatcher. In 2005, he was inducted into the Speaker Hall of Fame. In addition to being a sought-after speaker, Doctor Jolley has authored a number of best-selling books including, "It Only Takes A Minute To Change Your Life", "A Setback Is a Setup For a Comeback", and "An Attitude of Excellence". He is the host of the number one motivational radio show, [00:01:30] "The Willie Jolley Wealthy Ways Show" on Sirius XM Radio and can be seen on the "Live Better with Willie Jolley" TV program. Please, join us today in welcoming to the GDA Podcast, Dr. Willie Jolley. Welcome, Willie.

Willie Jolley: Well, thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you, Gail and Kyle. And I'm grateful to be on with you. I start every interview with every program, everything I do with the same thing. [00:02:00] I have only just a minute, only 60 seconds and it's forced upon me. I can't refuse it, I didn't think it, I didn't choose it; but it's up to me to use it. I must suffer if I lose it, give account if I abuse it, just a tiny little minute; but in eternity is at a greetings to everybody who's listening to this podcast.

Kyle Davis: Well, that was something else. I liked it.

Gail Davis: Willie, how did you get started? I know I ... For [00:02:30] as long as I can remember, being in the speaking business, I've known your name. I've known your energy, I've known your presence; but I'm not sure I really know how you got started. Willie Jolley: Well, wow. That's a great question.

I was a nightclub singer and a jingle singer, so I sang jingles for television and radio commercials for, "Pizza Hut making it great", "We work well together, News Four and you". So, I sang jingles during the day, but I made the majority of my income as a nightclub singer [00:03:00] singing in nightclub's in Atlantic City first.

And then, when I got married, I settled here in Washington, DC, wanting to do more local, less travel. So, I got a combo and my band and we thought of doing jazz clubs and it caught on and people liked it.

And then, a new jazz club was launching and they asked me to be the opening act and it ended up being a multi-year engagement [00:03:30] and things were going great. I'd won the award for "Best Jazz Singer", "Best Entertainer", "Best Performer". People were lined up every night at 7:00 for the 8:00 show, 9:00 for the 10:00 show. We had standing room only audiences for all the shows, things were going great; but then one night, I went in the nightclub. The club owner said, "I want to talk to you after tonight's show." So, I told the guys, "Hey, guys, they wanna talk. We're finally gonna get our raise. We've been selling out for six months, we got standing [00:04:00] room only audiences, we won all the awards. It's time for our raise." I walked to his office that night, he said, "You were great." I said, "Thank you."

"People loved you." I said, "Thank you."

"You've made a lot of money since you've been at it."

"Thank you." He said, "That's why it's hard for me to tell you what I gotta tell you. The owners of the club have decided that they gotta get a better return on investment and the only way to do that with a full nightclub is to lower the cost. We love you, but they need a better return on investment and a band is the biggest cost, live entertainment is the [00:04:30] biggest cost. There's something else going around our country, filling up nightclubs that's a lot cheaper than a band. We bought a karaoke machine."

Gail Davis: Oh, no.

Willie Jolley: And I said, "But what about my bills?" And I learned that night, nobody really cares about your bills but you and the people you owe.

And so, I went home to my wife, "I don't know what I'm gonna do, but I'm gonna do something else and I'm not gonna let anybody else control my destiny from this point forward." I took a job while I was trying [00:05:00] to figure out what I was gonna do, gotta pay the bills, took a job with the Washington, DC public school system as a drug prevention coordinator talking to little kids about staying away from drugs. And as part of my job, I had to give these speeches and because I was entertaining and add music in my presentations, it really caught on quickly. And from the little kids, the teachers that say, "Can you come to my teachers' group? That was great." I go to the Teachers' Association and someone there would say, [00:05:30] "Can you come to my church? We need to hear your message." Then, someone in the church would come up afterwards and say, "Can you come to my company? I work for Xerox." Or IBM, or Martin Marietta, or this one, or that one and it continued to grow.

And then, Les Brown heard about this guy in Washington, DC who was doing music and motivation. And Les Brown was launching a tour called the "Music and Motivation Dream Team Tour" and he needed an opening act. And he heard [00:06:00] about me and invited me to come and be part of their tour, and the tour was composed of Les Brown, Billy Preston, the great jazz and gospel organist, Gladys Knight, and a little guy from Washington, DC, me. And that's how I started and because of Les and Gladys, they introduced me to radio people as we went from city to city. And I got a little radio show in one of those cities, it got popular, got syndicated, [00:06:30] and that led to Sirius XM.

And as you said earlier in the introduction, now, my show is the number one self-help show in America on Sirius XM. And I've been on Sirius XM about 10 years, and I'm very grateful for all of that and it started because I got fired and replaced by a karaoke machine. And out of that came my book, "A Setback Is a Setup For a Comeback", which I tell people, "You're gonna go through setbacks, you're gonna go through challenging times, you're gonna go through times when the devastating deeds of life [00:07:00] will come your way. The devastating deeds of life are maybe a divorce, maybe a diagnosis, maybe a downsizing, maybe a disaster, or hurricane, or tornado, maybe a death of a loved one. I don't know what your devastating deed is gonna be, but they happen to everybody. Stuff happens to everybody. Setbacks happen to everybody, but a setback is not the end of the road. A setback is a bend in the road. It's a change in the direction you might've been going in, but if you [00:07:30] are positive and you've got great faith, you can turn that setback into a comeback."

And my latest book ... And if you're really positive, you can turn that setback into a comeback and turn that comeback into some green bucks. Come on, somebody.

Kyle Davis: Man, I have these out of body experiences. I mean, I can't tell if it's the no carbs in my diet, or if it's just some Willie Jolley, or the caffeine; but something in between, just has me wanting to scream. See?

Willie Jolley: Come [00:08:00] on, I like the way you talk, Kyle.

Kyle Davis: So, I'm looking at this and you're telling the story. And you're mentioning that you're selling out the nightclub. You're the house singer and people are loving it and they're flocking to come and hear your voice. And you're getting replaced by a karaoke machine. Now, at the time, probably for the business sense, it made a good decision; but recently, I read an article that karaoke bars are in such a decline that they're very hard to find. And they're not as profitable as they were 20, 30 years [00:08:30] ago, especially with the internet and YouTube. And people would just rather stay at home and embarrass themselves there, so you mentioned that you took this, what was a setback and you turned it into your own comeback. And I'm just wondering what is it that people think of when they think of the short-term gains? What are you doing to really set yourself apart in the strategic vision, the long-term vision, so that you're not the [00:09:00] karaoke machine or karaoke bar 10, 15 years down the road? Willie Jolley: You're absolutely right. First of all, you were right. That was almost 25 years ago, first of all. It was over 25 years ago.

And so, they're no longer in business. They did go out of business and it was not a wise decision, but it was a decision that they made. Most people make decisions on what's going right now. They're thinking about, "What's happening? What's the hot thing?" Where the wise one [00:09:30] is thinking about, "Where are we gonna be in five years? Where are we gonna be down the road?" Then, they can make decisions for the long-term, not the short-term. Wayne Gretzky stated that the reason he was called the "greatest hockey player of all time" was not that he hit the puck the way it was. He tried to imagine where it was gonna be and that's how he hit the puck and scored more goals than anybody else.

And so, the strategic thinker is always thinking, "Tomorrow, [00:10:00] next week, what's coming down the road and what's the big vision?" We can get caught up in today, today, today; but the bigger vision is down the road and one of the principles in my book, "A Setback Is a Setup For a Comeback" is that there's three types of people. There are quitters, campers, and climbers, and as you go through life you're gonna have to make some decisions about why you keep going.

So, there's the quitters who look at the situation in front of them, the mountain in front [00:10:30] of them and say, "Oh, that mountain is imposing. It's too big." And they do nothing and go back, and stay where they are on the ground and just keep living their lives at the same level, the same place. And not growing or going to the next level.

Then, there are the campers. Now, the campers see the mountain in front of them and they start up the mountain. They get to the first stopping point, which is base camp. They setup base camp, they refresh, they renew; [00:11:00] but then, they get stuck at base camp and they end up staying there 'cause that's the only vision they can have. It's comfortable, it's comfortable. They get a job, they're there for 40 years, they get a gold watch. And they're happy because that's where they settle.

But then, there are the climbers. The climbers they're not thinking about the mountain. They're not even thinking about the day-to-day, they're thinking about, "What's down the road? What's up [00:11:30] at the top? What's the summit look like? What's it like being at the top of the mountain?" And then, they get to base camp. They refresh, they renew, they get their energy back, they get some food; but then, they go back up that mountain. And they're faced with avalanches, and they're faced with cold, and they're faced with frostbite or any other possibilities; but they keep going. 'Cause they know the vision is not just today, but it's tomorrow and beyond, and they get to the summit. So, they're looking ... [00:12:00] Okay.

Kyle Davis: So, quitters have a pretty good job or a pretty good way of watching themselves out of my life. And I'm sure they have a good way of watching themselves out of my mom's life, as well, so I'm wondering how do people go from being a camper to being a climber? And what is the to quote my old football coach, Chris Cunningham, what is the intestinal fortitude that is needed to go and undertake that transformation?

Willie Jolley: I think it starts with a mindset. Mindset is the secret to everything that has happened in my life. [00:12:30] It's about mindset. A mindset that says that, "I might be going through a tough time, but this is not the end of the road and that there's something greater inside of me. There's something bigger inside of me and that the best is yet to come." So, you gotta have that mindset.

Now, that's a phrase that has become synonymous with Doctor Willie Jolley is, "The best is yet to come, a positive expectation or something is better in the future and the expectation [00:13:00] of something good is yet to come if I would just keep fighting for it."

I tell the story at the end of my speeches, typically, where I was a new speaker. I had no books, no tapes, no radio, no television, no credentials to be a speaker. All I had was a desire to inspire people, a desire to encourage people and I was struggling. I was struggling as a speaker, as a salesperson. I was struggling, I was struggling. I make my sales calls and people would hang up in my face, [00:13:30] I wouldn't make any more calls that day 'cause I'd get discouraged. And I'm speaking about all the people who gotta do sales. You're gonna get moments where you're discouraged because you get the negative reactions, you get rejected. I was rejected, I was ... Hanging up in my face and I wouldn't call anybody else that day.

But one day, I was making my first call and the guy on the other end said, "I like the way you're talking, I love your energy." He said, "Look, I'm having a meeting it's going to be in Orlando, Florida and I think you'd be great. We'll fly you down." I said, "Really?" [00:14:00] He said, "We'll pay you." I said, "Really? Wow."

I went to Orlando, I gave the speech. They gave me a standing ovation. And then, they gave me my check. I was ecstatic. Well, I finished looking at the check for a few minutes and put it in my pocket, my breast pocket, finished meeting, greeting people, went on to the airport feeling good, feeling great. The flight, got on that flight feeling good. On my way back home feeling good. Halfway through the flight, I pulled out that check a second time and when I looked at the check a second time, I got depressed [00:14:30] because I realized that money was already allocated. Anybody ever got your check and before you get home, you know it's gone? That was the way I was. I owed the water bill, light bill. I owed everybody.

And so, I started having a pity party with myself right there at B22. An older gentleman across the aisle must've sensed I was struggling. He struck up a conversation with me and he started talking to me. He told me he was a minister, he lectured everyday in a different city about health and wealth. I said, "You fly everyday?" He said, "Yes." I said, "Wow." Now, [00:15:00] we talked for a few more minutes. And then, he asked me a question that changed the trajectory of my future. He said, "Young man, how old do you think I am?" I looked him up and down, I said, "Sir, I think you may be about 60." He smiled, he took off his glasses, he looked me dead in my eye, he said, "Young man, I'm 88 years old. I'm 88 and my best is yet to come."

Wow, in that moment, everything shifted in my head. If an 88-year-old [00:15:30] man could have the optimism, the hopefulness to believe that his best days were in front of him and not behind him, what did I have to whine, and cry, and complain about? And I went home and I got on the phone, and I started making sales calls and if people say, "no", I say, "Next." They said, "I'm not interested, I don't know who you are." And hang up in my face. I'd say, "Thank you, you're not the right one." And I kept making calls, and kept making calls, and kept making calls, and I didn't care if they hung up. [00:16:00] I didn't care if they turned me down, I just kept making calls and somebody said, "yes" one day. And another person said, "yes".

Well, 25 years have gone by. I've been inducted in the Speaker Hall of Fame, I've been named one of the top five speakers in the world, I've got best-selling books, I got television and radio number one XM show in the country; but it's just the tip of the iceberg 'cause I'm still making those calls. I'm still ... When people say, "no" I still keep calling, so I'm saying to all of you who are listening to this podcast, without a question in my mind, [00:16:30] that if you have faith, if you believe in yourself and you keep fighting for your dream, your best is yet to come. Your best is yet to come, your best is yet to come. Get ready, get ready, get ready 'cause your best is yet to come.

Kyle Davis: Well, I'm gonna see you later 'cause I gotta go to the gym right now. I gotta make some sales calls. That money's already spent on the first ... Yeah.

Gail Davis: Willie, I feel like you are just the most energized, optimistic, gung-ho person that I think I've ever met [00:17:00] my entire life. I love it.

Willie Jolley: Wow, well, let me tell you what the secret is, though, Gail. It's gratefulness and it literally is, attitude or gratitude. It literally ... We hear people say that, attitude or gratitude; but when you really wake up ... I wake up in the morning, I just say, "Thank you." I wake up first thing in the morning and I say, "Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you."

'Cause somebody had planned to wake up. They had a list of things they were gonna do, they made their schedule. And they didn't wake up, so everyday I wake up, I'm already ahead of the game. I [00:17:30] got such a powerful, positive gratitude for everyday, so I'm grateful for friends like you, grateful for partners in the speaking business who have helped me to stand.

No one does it alone. Let me tell you, everybody who's listening, here's one of the secrets I learned. Do for somebody else before you need them to do for you. Pour into somebody else before you need them to pour on you and work your network, create a network 'cause your network determines your net worth.

[00:18:00] And so, you wanna develop a network of people who you can call on for counsel, for advice, for opportunity and develop that. And the more you do it, the better your business will grow.

Kyle Davis: So, how does somebody ... The easy thing to do, the easy way out, so to speak, when you're kicked off the stage as a nightclub singer and you just don't know how you're gonna pay the bill the next day ... The easy thing to do is just to give up and just maybe settle, [00:18:30] just to settle for something else. Be that camper, be that quitter. Do that. How do people then find this level of passion that switches their attitude and points them towards the true north of gratitude?

Willie Jolley: Well, I think it depends on your whys and lies; but in the whys I mean, W-H-Y, your why. Why do you do what you do? Why [00:19:00] do you wanna achieve your goal? What is it that gives you the empathy? If it's just money, the problem with just money is that when do you have enough? And if that's your why, you say, "My goal, my why is I've gotta pay my bills." Or some people, they just pay their bills. And then, their why is done.

And one of my products that I sell, I have a music product, money-making music motivation, [00:19:30] and in that product ... And it's gonna be re-released soon. We're remastering and re-digitizing it. I expect it to win a Grammy, I tell you two, I really do 'cause it's that quality; but there's a song on there called, "The Sky Is The Limit". And it talks about ... And before I do each song, I give a little one-minute message about what that song is really about, the core of the song. And I tell were three guys laying bricks.

They asked [00:20:00] the first guy, "What are you doing?" He said, "I'm making $5 an hour."

They asked the second guy, "What are you doing?" He said, "I'm paying my rent."

They asked the third guy, "What are you doing?" He said, "I'm building a cathedral." He had a what, he had a why, he had a reason, he had a purpose.

Now, when you find that why, it will expand your life. It will extend your thinking and it will give you a reason. [00:20:30] I think it was Nietzsche who said that if the why was big enough, you could overcome any how, any how that comes up in your life. You're gonna have some challenging hows along the way.

I had a challenging how and many people who might be listening might be going through a challenging time. My challenging how was in 2003, I lost my mother, my brother, and my father-in-law in 30 days. My mother died, my brother died, [00:21:00] my only sibling. We eulogized her. It was very challenging and 25 days after my mother's death, my brother dropped dead of a heart attack. Eight hours after my brother died, my father-in-law, who was my mentor and my pastor, died eight hours after my brother. So, in 30 days, I have to eulogize my mother, my brother, and my father-in-law and I'm overwhelmed with grief; but it was the why that got me through it. It was the why that said, "There's [00:21:30] hopefulness in the future that is worth it."

And now, that story, how I got through it is part of The Chicken Soup For The Christian Soul series. And it had impacted people's lives globally who have read the story and have been empowered because all of us are gonna lose someone we love one day, one time in our lives, some time. And they need to be encouraged and out of that came all sorts of audios that try and encourage people about [00:22:00] faith and about happiness, about hopefulness, and about ... That there is worse going on, so your why is so important. Find your why, find your reason, find your purpose. And if you do, you will find that things start to change, your perspective starts to change, and that's what I've been able to be grateful for. One of the things is just being able to be an encourager, an inspirer, an uplifter, an empowerer of people who [00:22:30] might need just a word of encouragement.

Kyle Davis: One of the easy things to say ... And I don't ... I think you'll know what I mean when I say this, but one of the easy things to say is find your why and they you'll figure out the how. It just sounds so simplistic, but for those who are just trying to figure out what their why is, how do you find that within yourself to know what your why is?

Willie Jolley: I have an exercise that I give people, okay? Find their why, okay? I ask them a question, I say, "I want you to do something, [00:23:00] I want you to take out a piece of paper and on here, I want you to imagine something. Imagine you went to the doctor today. The doctor said, 'I've got good news and bad news, I'll give you both. First, I'll give you the bad news. The bad news is you got one year to live, one year to live. You got a very rare illness. It guarantees that one year, 365 days from today, not a day earlier, not a day later, [00:23:30] you will die. That's it. Now, the good news, this very rare illness also guarantees ... This is a very rare illness. It guarantees that anything you attempt, anything you try in the next 365 days, you will achieve.' What would you go after? What things would make you stop?"

Now, just having money ... Well, you can't spend all the money. So, what would ... Well, the things that are really important will come to the forward at that time. It's time with your family, the people [00:24:00] you love, spending time ... If you know ... And then, some of the things you wanna leave in terms of your legacy will become the things that are important, your why.

Someone asked me in an interview just the other day ... They asked me in an interview, "Willie Jolley, you've had great successes and yet you always talk about your goals and dreams that you're always working on. What's your biggest goal? What's your biggest dream?" Well, someone would've expected I say, "Well, be a billionaire." Well, I wanna be a billionaire. I'm not questioning that. Some of them say, "Well, to have the biggest [00:24:30] house in the neighborhood." Well, I'd like to have a big house. Who doesn't want one? But no, no, no. That's not my biggest goals, that's not my greatest goal.

My greatest goal is for 100 years from now, some child will walk into a living room and look at a picture of me and my wife, run up to that picture and kiss it. And say, "Thank you, great, great, great, great, great grand-daddy for what you did back in 2017, [00:25:00] 2018, 2019, 2020 to allow for us to have a business, to have a house, to have income stream that we could all go to college. We could all have a quality of life. Thank you for making the legacy investment."

Now, here's the thing, Kyle. I'll never get to see that, I won't see that; but that's my biggest goal and I believe that you should live a life that you will plant [00:25:30] trees that you'll never sit under. That's where legacy really is, so that's my why and if you get a big enough why, you'll figure out your right. You'll figure out any how, but it's a big enough why, not just the why to get the biggest house in the community or the biggest, fanciest, fastest car. That's good. I appreciate those and I don't discourage people, but I say the biggest why. There's something bigger, greater, grander, and that's what I'm going after.

Gail Davis: That is a great exercise. I know that'll be great takeaway for everyone, [00:26:00] I'm curious if you could tell the listeners a little bit about your family.

Willie Jolley: I am a newly-wed.

Gail Davis: You are?

Willie Jolley: I am a newly-wed, I am married to the beautiful Dee Taylor-Jolley and we're newly-weds. June 28th we'll celebrate 32 years of marriage.

Gail Davis: You tricked me a little bit. I'm like, "What?"

Willie Jolley: I gotcha, I gotcha. I get audiences like that, I tell them, "That's my newly-wed." I show a picture of her, I say, "We're newly-weds [00:26:30] on June 28th, we'll celebrate 32 years of marriage."

And we have two children and we have two grandchildren, and we travel together and we do everything together. And our new marriage book is coming out. It'll be out probably by the time this podcast is airing around the country. People have been asking us for years how it is that we work together. We travel together, we do everything together. And we have not had an argument in over 30 years, not to say [00:27:00] we did not have arguments initially. We did and they were very, very painful arguments, so we learned some lessons over 30 years ago that we have implemented from people who've been married 30, 40, 50 years. We ask them for ideas and we implemented those, and we haven't had an argument in 30 years 'cause those principles work. The name of the book is, "Make Love, Make Money, Make It Last: Ten Steps For Shaping A Great Marriage"

And so, our family [00:27:30] ... Dee and I travel together. Our kids are grown and we're very grateful, and we go all over the world, just got back from Dubai. We've been to South Africa, Japan, Paris, India. I mean, we've just been all over the world with my speaking business and we're very grateful for all of the opportunities we've been given and we enjoy spending time together. So, I'm grateful, grateful, grateful. Gail Davis: I don't want you to give away [00:28:00] the entire content of the book, but can you give us one or two takeaways? Willie Jolley: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Number one takeaway is the most important. Friends first, so simple. Friends first. That many people marry because somebody is pretty ... They're handsome, they got money, they wanna get a green card. I don't know what your reason is, but ...

Kyle Davis: That's my dating pool right [00:28:30] there.

Willie Jolley: But you wanna marry somebody who's your friend, your best friend, hopefully, because that is the secret to long-lasting happiness. Think about your best friends in the world who are your best friends. You rarely argue, probably, and if you do disagree, you don't stay mad at each other; but people who are not friends and get married 'cause it's more convenient or somebody looks good, it's tough.

So, I tell [00:29:00] my son who is still single, I say, "Look, of all the decisions you're gonna make, who you marry is gonna be the most important 'cause that person's gonna be responsible for 90% of your misery or 90% of your joy. So, choose well. Find your friend and make that somebody who will stick to you thick and thin, good times, bad times."

And so, that's one of the principles.

Another principle is leave the drama with your mama. [00:29:30] You know what? Yeah, leave the drama with your mama. We live in a reality show world, okay? Reality shows, The Real Housewives of this, The Real Housewives of that, and they are just nuts, okay? They're nuts, but that's good for ratings. The nuttier they are, the more people watch 'cause it's good for ratings. Do not use them as a model for your marriage 'cause that's drama, just drama. People yanking off [00:30:00] people's hair and fighting and cussing. No, that don't work for making a happy marriage, so I tell people, "Leave the drama with your mama."

And one more. I'll give you one more and it's called, "Sex, headaches, and other lies." Okay? Sex, headaches, and other lies and this is based on a principle that my friend, Jane Herlong, a great speaker, shared with me that her mama told her [00:30:30] on her wedding night. She said, "My mama told me, 'Don't ever tell that lie that you got a headache to your husband, don't ever tell that lie.'" She said, "Because when you tell that lie that you got a headache, know that there's a woman somewhere who has an aspirin in their pocketbook."

So, the book is a real deal talk about how we have principles, [00:31:00] whether they're one of them.

I won't go into them all, but one of them is you gotta talk about everything good, bad, the ugly. You've gotta figure out how to disagree and where are the lines that you must not cross in disagreeing, and never go past those points. How do you make decisions that are challenging if both of you have very strong opinions on it? And also, how do you handle money? How do you handle money and what's [00:31:30] the principle and the process you have? That we gave different systems that we found for handling money, so lots of good stuff in there, just great.

Gail Davis: That's awesome. You know, Willie, your show on Sirius XM is the number one motivational radio show and it's had a long run. Do you find that your tips of encouragement and inspiration have been the same or have they changed over time?

Willie Jolley: Well, first of all, let me tell you this. The secret of the show [00:32:00] is not me, okay? It's not me. I am the conduit, okay? I'm just the spark.

The people who I bring on ... I am blessed, I tell you, I'm grateful, I really am grateful, I'm grateful that I have a ... What we used to call a big roll of decks.

Now, I have a big iPhone, okay? I have a big iPhone and in my iPhone are some numbers that people would die to get to be able to call General Colin Powell, to be able to call Bill Marriott, [00:32:30] to be able to call Wally Famous Amos, to be able to call Chris Gardner from Pursuit of Happyness. The real guy, not Will Smith; but the real guy who lived that life. To be able to call Damon John and say, "I want you on my show, man. I need you." That's where my show has been successful because many of them don't give out interviews. General Powell doesn't do hour interviews. Bill Marriott doesn't do hour interviews, but they were willing to do it because I have poured [00:33:00] into them before I needed them to pour into me.

So, I really give them the credit for the success of the show, the different guests I've had. And every week I've got a great guest, just an A-lister every week.

Kyle Davis: Well, I can't wait to have dinner with you and steal your phone.

Gail Davis: That's classic, Kyle.

Willie Jolley: Kyle, you're good, man. You are good.

Kyle Davis: Hey, man, if you're not cheating, you're not trying.

Willie Jolley: There you go.

Kyle Davis: [00:33:30] Well, I think that's a good place for us to wrap up. I wanna extend the invite that whenever you're in Dallas, you gotta stop by because I don't know what it was; but I'm high on it.

Willie Jolley: Alright, got it.

Kyle Davis: And we'll be sure to leave the new book ... Please, name the title again because ...

Willie Jolley: "Make Love, Make Money, Make It Last" and then, for those who want some other resources, go [00:34:00] to williejolley.com or just wjspeaks.com. There's an all access badge. If you hit the all access badge, it's like a backstage pass. It'll take you to our gift page where we give away gifts. We give away ebooks, we give away some of my music, we give some XM interviews that changed my life. And we give resources just to help people 'cause we learned the more you give, the more you get.

And then, there's also our product page where you can get individual books, "It Only Takes A Minute To Change Your Life", "Setbacks Are a Setup For a Comeback", "Turn Setbacks Into Green [00:34:30] Backs", "Attitude of Excellence", "Chicken Soup For The Soul". Or you get the whole bag and get a big discount on the bag, or you can get my box. A big box that's my "Willie Jolley Wow Box" and it's all of my resources, all my books, all my audios, all my PBS specials, all my music, everything in a box. So, all of those available; but most of all, just stay connected to us and stay connected to us through social media, IG, and Twitter, and Facebook, and [00:35:00] all of that.

Kyle Davis: All that fun stuff, yeah. Look, awesome. If you wanna book Willie for your next event, you can do so also by contacting GDA Speakers at 214-420-1999 or by going to gdaspeakers.com. We'll also have a link to the transcript from today's podcast as well as the books. The new book, "Make Love, Make Money, Make It Last", that's my problem the making it last part.

Willie Jolley: [00:35:30] Well, you go get the book and you go ...

Kyle Davis: I mean, I'm talking about money, I'm not talking about other stuff; but yeah. So, okay. Cool, but we'll make sure that we have a link there, whether it's a pre-order or for purchase and we'll go from there. And you can do that and view that at gdapodcast.com, and one final thing, because you're gonna be episode 49. So, next episode 50, yeah? So, 50 is gonna be a gift to you because if you're not giving, you're not getting.

Willie Jolley: There you go.

Kyle Davis: To quote Willie Jolley, [00:36:00] so for all of those who are really interested, please subscribe on iTunes. Do That and leave a comment, rate, subscribe, all of that fun stuff, and you'll be rewarded with a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful episode 50.

Gail Davis: Perfect, thank you, Willie. This has just been ...

Willie Jolley: Let me just close with something to inspire your listeners.

Gail Davis: Okay, okay.

Willie Jolley: Follow your dream wherever it leads. Don't be distracted by less-worthy needs. Shelter it. Nourish it. Help it to grow. Hold [00:36:30] your dreams deep down, deep where dreams grow. Follow your dream. Pursue it with haste. Life is too precious, too fleeting to waste. Be faithful, be loyal in all the day through. The dream that you follow will keep coming true. Thank you, Gail. Thank you, Kyle.

Gail Davis: Thank you, Willie.

Willie Jolley: It's been a joy.

Gail Davis: It's been a pleasure.

Kyle Davis: It's been a joy as well.

Gail Davis: Thank you.

Kyle Davis: Thank you.